THE PRESIDENT (translation)
Thank you
for your riveting statement. Now we have question time; you are
well accustomed to this.
The first question is from Mr Volontè on behalf of the Group
of the European People’s Party.
Mr VOLONTÈ (Italy)
One of the most
important political actions of your government is the promotion
of subsidiarity, which you call the big society – the responsibility
of each person, each family and each local community, the three
fundamental values of every Council of Europe member State. How
is work going, particularly concerning a new family policy to define
your government’s priorities after the acts of vandalism in August?
Mr Cameron, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
I strongly believe that
if you want to achieve social change, improve the state of your
society and build a stronger country, you cannot rely on government
alone. The concept of the big society is simply asking what we,
as individuals, parents, businesses and local organisations, can
do to solve complex social problems and make the country a stronger
place. It consists of encouraging philanthropy, obviously, but it
is also about devolving power to the lowest level so that community organisations,
community groups, local government – what I would call the little
platoons that make up society – are capable of delivering that change.
We are passing legislation in our parliament to empower small local organisations
and give them greater control in our country.
Part of it is also about trying to strengthen families – the
building block of a strong and good society. We should be looking
at all the ways in which we can bolster and build up families. When
we think, as you put in your question, about what happened on the
streets of the United Kingdom last August, we know that there is
a response involving crime, policing, punishment and court cases,
but we also know that there is a role for accepting that in the
end it is families, not the State, who bring up children and we
need to help them with the vital work that they do.
THE PRESIDENT (translation)
Thank you.
The next question is from Mr Michel on behalf of the Socialist Group.
Mr MICHEL (France) (interpretation)
asked whether
the United Kingdom Government would implement the rulings of the European
Court of Human Rights immediately and completely. Problems with
the administration of the Court should not be used as an excuse
to question its jurisdiction.
Mr Cameron, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
Whether in the context of
the European Union or the Council of Europe and the ECHR, Britain
has always been pretty prompt at putting into place the judgments and
laws that we are required to implement. We may have a reputation
for complaining about these things, and for questioning whether
this European law is really necessary and this regulation is something
that we want to do in the context of the European Union, but when
it comes to which countries put those laws in place, or indeed puts
in place the judgments of the European Court of Human Rights, I
would argue that we are pretty fast in doing so. We have a pretty
fundamental approach towards the rule of law, which is that you
should not sign up to things that you are not subsequently prepared
to put into your own legal system. So I think that we have a fairly
good record on that and I would challenge the point that you put.
THE PRESIDENT (translation)
The next
question is from Mr Seyidov on behalf of the European Democrat Group.
Mr SEYIDOV (Azerbaijan)
I welcome
you to the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe. In our group,
there is a large number of representatives from different European
countries including the United Kingdom, Russia, Georgia and Azerbaijan.
I am from Azerbaijan, and despite the fact that we are representatives
of different cultures, we are fighting for common European values.
In your previous speeches you have expressed your opinion concerning
multiculturalism. Could you clarify your understanding of this phenomenon?
Mr Cameron, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
Thank you for that welcome.
I made a speech in Germany last year trying to explain what I felt
about this. Britain is a very good example of a country that is
a successful multiracial democracy. People from all over the world
and communities from all parts of the world live in Britain with
full rights and full participation. I think we have demonstrated
how you can tackle racism and have people from different cultures
and countries living together.
However, on the journey we have made, we have sometimes made
mistakes. In the speech I gave last year, I said there was a time
when we had an approach that I would refer to as State multiculturalism:
it was almost as if the State were encouraging people from different
countries and cultures, instead of trying to integrate more and
build a new home together. The State was almost treating them as
separate cultures and entities in the country. That approach has
been a mistake, so when I say that State multiculturalism has failed,
I am not in any way saying that the idea and the delivery of a multiracial
democracy is not possible. It is not just possible – we in Britain
are showing how it can and should be done, as are many of the countries
represented here. However, it should not be done through treating
people as representatives of different blocs.
The Chief Rabbi in Britain has it particularly well when he
said: we are not trying to create a series of different, segmented
houses; we should be focusing on a home that we are building together.
That also delivers a message that those people who come to live
in your country are not just expected to assimilate into your culture:
they are bringing something to your country that is going to be
different and will benefit you as you build something positive together.
So I say yes to the building in Britain of a multiracial democracy,
but I say no to State multiculturalism that treats people as members
of groups. We should treat our citizens as citizens – as individuals
with full rights – rather than just thinking that they belong to
a different bloc.
THE PRESIDENT (translation)
The next
question is from Ms Lundgren, who will speak on behalf of the Alliance
of Liberals and Democrats for Europe.
Ms LUNDGREN (Sweden)
Mr Prime Minister,
we welcome the Lisbon Treaty, which provides a legal obligation
for the European Union’s accession to the European Convention on
Human Rights. We noted the intense negotiations that have taken
place since June 2010, showing that the complex technical and legal issues
can be resolved. What is needed now is clear and unequivocal political
commitment on the part of the 27 European Union member States. Why
is there a perception that your government is blocking this process?
Mr Cameron, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
We are not blocking the
process, but it is important to recognise that the European Union’s
accession to the Council of Europe and the European Convention on Human
Rights is an important step, and a new and different step. It is
the first time that an organisation, rather than a country, has
joined, so there are some complex questions that have to be worked
through. Britain and other European countries that are signatories
to the Lisbon Treaty are committed to answering those questions and
working this through.
This perhaps goes back to the question I answered earlier.
It may be boring, but we in Britain are great believers that you
have to try to answer these questions in advance of signing up to
something, and that is exactly the process that we are going through
at the moment.
THE PRESIDENT (translation)
The next
question is from Mr Kox, on behalf of the Group of the Unified European
Left.
Mr KOX (Netherlands)
Thank you, Prime Minister, for your passionate speech on human
rights. In times of crisis – when there is an austerity policy,
or a wish for speedier decision making – human rights can come under severe
pressure. How do you view this threat, and how can we deal with
it in order to uphold social and democratic human rights, especially
in times of crisis?
Mr Cameron, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
Thank you. I think you make
an important point. Post-9/11, we have all seen, perhaps particularly
in western Europe, huge pressures on governments in dealing with the
terrorist threat. It is important to remember how people and politicians
felt in the immediate aftermath of those days, and the measures
many European governments felt it necessary to take to safeguard
their populations. This goes exactly to the point you are making:
what is it in a system that helps us to make sure that governments
do not overstep the mark and do not override important human rights
concerns? That is where, clearly, there is an important role for
the European Convention on Human Rights and for what our domestic
courts do.
However, there is a balance to that as well, as shown in the
examples I gave. I do believe that you have to have an answer to
the issue of the deportation of foreign nationals who come to your
country who have no right to be there, and who are threatening your
country. You have to be able to try them, deport them or detain
them – you have to have an answer. You have to be able to do something
to protect your people, and I fear that, at the moment, we do not
have a good enough answer, which is why I raised that case. However,
I completely agree with you: you need to make sure that government
is government under the law, and there are times when governments
– even governments with long democratic traditions – can overstep
that line. It is important that you have legal and other processes,
and checks and balances in your constitution, to prevent that from happening.
Mr REISS (France) (interpretation)
noted that the
United Kingdom had supported President Chirac’s 2005 proposal for
a tax on plane tickets, and asked whether the United Kingdom would
similarly support President Sarkozy’s proposals for a tax on financial
market transactions.
Mr Cameron, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
I certainly agree with President
Sarkozy that we should ask the financial sector and banks to make
a fair contribution to the deficit reduction and fiscal programmes
that we all have in our countries. In Britain, we have a financial
transaction tax of a sort: we have stamp duty on share dealings,
and yet we have one of the busiest stock markets anywhere in the
world. So, I recommend this tax to other countries that want to
tax their financial institutions more. We have introduced a bank
levy, so we are taking about £2.5 billion off our banks every year.
Again, this is an approach that works.
The problem I have with the financial transaction tax is that,
unless it is applied everywhere in the world, it will drive the
activity to jurisdictions that do not have the tax. You do not have
to believe me: the European Commission has produced an excellent
report pointing out that this tax could cost European Union countries more
than 400 000 jobs. At a time when we are trying to pay down our
deficits, get our economies growing and make sure there are jobs
and employment in our countries, doing something that our own organisation,
the European Commission, says would cost more than 400 000 jobs
is an extraordinary thing to do.
I have great regard for Nicolas Sarkozy. We work very closely
together on many issues, Libya included, but on this issue, we do
not agree. Unless this tax were applied everywhere in the world,
it would have the effects that I mentioned, and that would cost
jobs and cost investment in our own countries. Therefore, I think
that would be a mistake.
Mr AGRAMUNT (Spain) (interpretation)
asked what was
the United Kingdom’s position with regard to the following: the European
Union, the Schengen Agreement, the European Monetary Union and the
decolonisation process.
Mr Cameron, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
On the issue of the Schengen
treaty and the monetary union treaty, Britain is not part of either
the single currency or the Schengen no-borders agreement, and we
do not believe that it is in our national interests to be so. We
think we should look after our own borders and we think we have
some advantages from doing that.
Obviously, I want the countries in the single currency to
sort out the problems and issues around the euro at the moment,
but Britain is not a member and is not going to join. We think that
we are fully capable of having our own currency and our own arrangements
and of setting our own interest rates to suit our own economic needs.
At the moment, with all the difficulties that we face, I think that
that is more important than usual.
I am not sure whether the last part of your question was on
Gibraltar or the issue of the Falklands, which has been raised recently.
I have a very clear view: we should stand for self-determination,
and as long as people in a part of the world that is part of the
United Kingdom, effectively, want to remain with that status, far
from being decolonialisation, it would actually be recolonialisation
to go against their wishes, and that is the case in all those instances.
Mr OMTZIGT (Netherlands)
Thank you
for a clear speech in which you rightly placed on our member States the
onus of taking a stance on the European Convention on Human Rights.
How do you think Russia is implementing the Convention in general
and in a particular case, the Magnitski case? In that case, someone was
beaten to death after 358 days in detention, and numerous pieces
of research indicate that he was tortured to death. Will you help
the Russians to open a dialogue on how a proper investigation and
a proper prosecution can be conducted?
Mr Cameron, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
The case that you have raised
is extremely important. I raised the subject of such cases recently
when I went to Moscow and met President Medvedev and Prime Minister
Putin. Cases such as the Litvinenko case in the United Kingdom and
the Magnitski case in Russia are important, and clearly more progress
needs to be made. I do not think that any country – whether it is
France, Britain, Germany, Spain or Italy – should hesitate to engage
with Russia and to have a relationship with Russia and its government,
but the flip side of that is that we should never be coy about raising
those important cases and pointing out that we all have an obligation
to secure human rights and dignity in our own countries. We should
raise those cases with other countries as well, and I have done
so.
Mr VRETTOS (Greece)
Illegal migration
to Europe, mainly southern Europe, has increased dramatically during
the last three or four years. Given the burden that that places
on our societies and all the ramifications that it entails, do you
not think that the European Union should shape and pursue new policies
based on solidarity and the need for countries to share the burden
of an unavoidable humanitarian phenomenon?
Mr Cameron, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
That issue often arises
at European Council meetings. It is clear that the burden of migratory
pressures has increased in recent years, and that it has had a particular impact
on Italy and Greece. Malta also incurred a huge burden at the time
of the events in Libya.
I think that there is a role for the European Union, and FRONTEX
has played an important role. However, before we become involved
in arguments about burden-sharing, we should look at the most recent
figures showing which countries have borne the greatest burden in
terms of the number of asylum seekers. They are northern European
countries such as Britain, Sweden and Holland. I think that we should
invest in the front end in trying to deal with the migration issue,
rather than jumping on to the idea of burden-sharing, not least
because countries might initially think that burden-sharing would
suit them and later discover that that was not the case.
Mr HARANGOZÓ (Hungary)
In November,
the Hungarian media reported that the Hungarian Government and your
governing Conservative party were to establish a joint working group
to examine the similar governmental measures in our two countries.
In which fields would close co-operation apply? May I also ask whether
you would encourage new and emerging democracies to follow Prime
Minister Orbán’s example and consolidate democracy and the rule
of law?
Mr Cameron, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
Britain and Hungary clearly
have some common interests, including completing the single market
in Europe, trying to establish growth in Europe, and trying to ensure
that the trade agreements that Europe fixes with other, faster-growing
parts of the world are concluded swiftly. The Hungarian Prime Minister
and I have had, and will continue to have, discussions about those matters.
Hungary currently has differences with the European Union over rights
and democracy. Those will have to be resolved, and I am sure that
they will be.
Ms ZOHRABYAN (Armenia) (interpretation)
said that the
United Kingdom was one of the largest investors in the Azerbaijani economy.
Given that the Government of Azerbaijan was attempting to resolve
the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict by force, was the United Kingdom worried
that their investment in Azerbaijan might be used to re-launch the war?
Mr Cameron, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
Obviously we do not want
that to happen. We are supporters of the Minsk Group and the process
that is under way to try solve the issues surrounding Nagorno-Karabakh.
We hope that Armenia and Azerbaijan will be able to get together
and do that.
Mr NIKOLOSKI (“The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia”)
The United Kingdom is one of the most prominent members of
NATO. As you know, the Republic of Macedonia was invited to the
2008 NATO summit, but the Greek Government vetoed its attendance.
Can Macedonia expect an invitation to the Chicago summit this year,
given the decision of the International Court of Justice that Greece
has no lawful right to rule on NATO membership of the Republic of
Macedonia?
Mr Cameron, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
I support Macedonian membership
of NATO and the European Union. I think that you are taking steps
to embed democracy and the market economy in your country, and I
think that we should be open to your membership of those important
international organisations as part of that process. I know that
there is ongoing debate and concern about the name. I hope that
that can be resolved, and that the Greeks can see the situation
from the viewpoint that they have things that your country wants.
They are members of NATO and the European Union. They have those
advantages. Membership has been helpful to their country just as
it can be helpful to yours, and I hope that a resolution can be
found that will give both countries the dignity that they require
over the naming issue.
Ms MOGHERINI REBESANI (Italy)
So far, you and
your government have said no to many different European proposals
for ending the economic crisis, last but not least the new European
Union treaty and the financial transaction tax. What are your concrete
proposals for solving the global crisis for which finance is largely
responsible, and which has had such dramatic effects on people’s
rights and dignity?
Mr Cameron, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
I do not accept for a minute
that we have said no to any proposal that would help Europe to escape
from its current difficulties, and I cannot see for a moment how a
European financial transaction tax that is not imposed on the rest
of the world could work. It might make us feel good for five minutes,
but it would result in businesses and jobs relocating in other parts
of the world outside Europe. It would cost us jobs and investment.
I cannot remotely see what it could ever have to do with growing the
European economy, and growth is what we need today. We need jobs
for our young people, and we need investment. We need people to
invest in the European Union rather than taking their investment
out of it.
I believe that Britain plays an important role in Europe in
pushing forward the things that would really make a difference.
If we completed the single market, it would give a big boost to
our economies and to jobs. The same would apply if we completed
a single market in energy and in services. If we signed free trade
treaties with India, South America, Canada and the United States,
that too would make a difference. All those things are very much
on the British agenda. I hope that we will be able to achieve some
of them at the European Council on 30 January, and more during the
rest of the year. We have a very positive and very engaged agenda.
Mr AVITAL (Israel)
As the representative
of the Israeli Parliament, I am naturally keen to know your thoughts about
the Middle East. The Middle East is no longer a code name only for
the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, however crucial and important
that may be. It now stretches from the Maghreb countries through
Egypt and Jordan, and the unrest in Syria and Lebanon, all the way
to the Iranian nuclear threat. How do you prioritise your concerns
in the context of the Middle East?
Mr Cameron, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
It is probably a mistake
to prioritise such things in a “one, two, three, four” sense. It
is not a good idea to pronounce on whether the Iranian nuclear issue
is more important than another issue. We need to deal with all those
issues. We need to put the maximum pressure on Iran to change its
path and not to go down the road towards nuclear arms. We need to
do all that we can to persuade Israel and the Palestinian Authority
to continue the talks that started in Jordan and to resolve that process.
One very sensible remark was made to me. I was told that if
we want to heal many of the problems and divisions that have affected
the Middle East in the past, we should start with the fact that
al-Qaeda has come under enormous pressure and bin Laden is no more.
That is stage one. We can see stage two in the Arab Spring and the
growth of democracy and freedom in countries that have been condemned
to dictatorship for years. Stage three would be a solution to the
Arab-Israeli conflict – a two-state solution with Israelis and Palestinians
living alongside each other. If we achieve those three things in
the early part of this century, we would have a more prosperous
and more peaceful Middle East for everyone to enjoy.
Ms VESAITE (Lithuania)
Honourable
Prime Minister, I have a feeling that the world is governed not
by democratically elected parliaments and governments, but by the
banks – and the majority of them are situated in London. My question
is: What is your recipe for reconstructing the financial markets
so that they invest not in casino games, but in the real economy?
Mr Cameron, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
It is right to reform our
financial institutions, and the British Government is doing precisely
that. We started by ensuring that they make a fair contribution,
which is what the bank levy is about. We had a major review, and
we are going to separate the investment arms – what could be called
the casino arms – from the commercial, lending parts of the banks,
so that one is not threatened by the other. We also need much better
regulation of our banks – not just in respect of the products they
sell, but in the sense of macro-prudential regulation. That means
the regulation of the level of borrowing in the economy.
I think the mistake made in Britain, and perhaps in other
parts of the world too, was that there was not a sufficiently clear
view about the massive over-leverage that was taking place. To be
fair, it was not just the banks, as it also affected governments
and households. It was this triple leverage that got so many of
our economies into trouble.
It is not right to say, however, that everything is the responsibility
of the banks. Many governments spent too much, borrowed too much
and did not think enough about the future. We should not fall conveniently
into the trap of thinking that we can blame the banks for everything
and let all the politicians off the hook. We have to recognise that
some of the problems that we face in Europe include not just over-indebted
banks, but over-indebted governments. We need to deal with both
of those problems. Even when we have dealt with over-indebted governments
– this is one of the big arguments at the heart of the eurozone
at the moment – we have to recognise that the other deficit that
matters in Europe is not each country’s budget deficit but the trade
deficit of countries that are in the eurozone but not coping with
its competitive pressures. That is a real part of the pressure at
the heart of the system. If we think that taxing the banks some
more and having austerity programmes for governments and others
will solve the problems of the eurozone, we are making a very big mistake.
Mr LEIGH (United Kingdom)
Welcome
to Strasbourg, Prime Minister. Is it not a problem that, as designed by
its founders, the Convention was about how to deal with totalitarian
governments? For instance, in the original Convention, the right
of prisoners to vote was deliberately excluded. Now, however, the
Court sees the Convention as a “living instrument”, so it is pursuing
democratic governments and preventing them from carrying out the
democratic wishes of their own people, instead of concentrating
on real abuses in Europe.
Mr Cameron, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
Thank you for your welcome.
Having done Prime Minister’s Questions in the United Kingdom Parliament
at 12 o’clock this morning, I must say that this is a far more civilised
atmosphere – perhaps there are some lessons we can learn there!
I do not entirely agree with the point about the European ConventionAs
I said in my speech, the Council of Europe and the Convention grew
up at a time when Europe had to deal with recovering from totalitarianism
and appalling acts against humanity. That was the original conception
of the Court and the Council. As I said in response to Mr Omtzigt earlier,
it is a living business in that some countries in Europe are going
to have more routine abuses of human rights on which the Court should
focus its attention, yet in all countries there are pressures on
democratic politicians to take steps and measures, and we should
all believe in a government under the rule of law. That is a profound
point for all who believe in democracy and rights. Of course, the
ECHR can have a role in overseeing that.
Now the focus should be on the most egregious breaches of
human rights and on the countries and governments where that is
happening the most. As I say, we should accept governments under
the rule of law and the ECHR is part of that as I set out in my
speech. Together, we can make some real improvements. This is an
Organisation of complete unanimity; change will not happen unless
we all agree. I hope that what I have shown today is that this change
will come from a spirit whereby we want human rights to succeed
and to thrive right across the European continent. We are acting
in good faith to try to get reforms that will make this a reality.
Mr KAIKKONEN (Finland)
I would like
to put to you the same question that I put to President Tarja Halonen, as
I would like to hear your opinion. If you look at a Europe from
a global point of view, from outside, what does it look like?
Mr Cameron, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
The honest answer is that
it is a picture of two parts. People can look at Europe from the
outside and they see democracy, great freedoms, a commitment to
human rights – some of the things we have talked about today – and
shared European values. We saw them last year and many other countries
aspire to them. That is the positive part of the picture. The negative
part of the picture is the economic picture. Right across Europe,
we see slow growth or no growth. We see rising unemployment, particularly
youth unemployment, and we see economies that are struggling when
other parts of the world – the Brazils, Indias, Chinas are growing
very rapidly. That provides a challenge to our politicians, our
leaders, our governments and, indeed, to our whole countries: are
we prepared to allow Europe to stagnate economically while holding
on to our excellent democratic and liberal values, or are we prepared
to take the steps that will mean us having another great European
century? I think we have to take those steps.
We have many things going for us economically; we have some
of the best universities in the world; we are incredibly inventive
and creative; we have some of the most extraordinary companies in
all sorts of different sectors from pharmaceuticals to aerospace;
we have the single market, which is the biggest in the world. We just
need the political will to make the most of it, to take down the
barriers, to get rid of the regulations, to make it easier to start
a business, to make it easier to employ people, to make it more
possible to grow, expand and succeed – as European countries have
done in centuries past. I do not think that the dream of an economically successful
Europe as well as a democratically developed Europe is over, but
it is going to take a lot of boldness and courage at a time when
the European economy is struggling and other parts of the world
are growing. I am an optimist, not a pessimist. We know what the
solutions to these problems are; we just need the boldness to grab
them.
Ms BAKIR (Turkey)
The new law passed
by the French Senate this week makes it a criminal offence to question
publicly some disputed events during the First World War. The law
relates to freedom of expression, the right to individual opinions
and to conduct independent academic research on history. It is a
political exploitation of history before the elections in France.
What is your point of view on this new French law, which curtails
a fundamental human right to freedom of expression? Should national
parliaments legislate on history?
Mr Cameron, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
I think it is difficult
to comment on another country’s laws which are passed by its parliament.
In the United Kingdom, we have on occasion passed legislation that has
looked back – making it possible to prosecute people for appalling
war crimes, for example. I think that was the right thing to do.
Our position on the issue raised is clear. Appalling things happened
to the Armenian people; appalling atrocities were committed. It
is important to state that, but we have to live in the present.
I believe that trying to fashion stronger relationships between
Turkey and all members of the European Union is in all our interests.
Turkey is key to meeting many of the challenges that we face in
the world, such as securing economic growth in Europe – an important
topic, that we have just been talking about – or tackling the threat of
terror and nuclear-armed States in the Middle East. If we want to
demonstrate how Muslim, Christian, Jew, Hindu and Sikh can all live
together, having a predominantly Muslim Turkey inside the European
Union is the right thing to do. I therefore profoundly believe that
we should work on the relationship between Turkey and all European
States, but in the end it is up to each individual European State,
including France, to make up its own mind about how to approach
that. My commitment is very clear: I think the British-Turkish relationship
is strong, and stronger than it has been for many years, and I am
committed to further strengthening it.
THE PRESIDENT (translation)
The last
question is from Mr Assaf, Palestinian National Authority, Partner
for Democracy.
Mr ASSAF (Palestinian National Authority)
Mr Prime Minister, your meeting with Mr Mahmoud Abbas a week
or so ago left Mr Abbas quite pleased and satisfied. It has raised
our people’s hopes that the United Kingdom might be more assertive
in pursuing the two-state solution. What specific steps might the
United Kingdom take? Secondly, in October last year this Assembly
called on all the Arabian countries who were members of the Security
Council to vote in favour of the Palestinian state. What is the
United Kingdom’s position on this?
Mr Cameron, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
Yes, I am afraid this will
have to be the last question. Thank you for that question. It is
good that we have now struck a balance as we have had one Israeli
question and one Palestinian question.
Our position is very clear. We are strong supporters of the
two-state solution. We want to see Israel democratic, secure and
safe within its borders, and a new State of Palestine that can be
a proper home for the Palestinian people. We will do everything
we can to help bring that about. That is why I met President Abbas
earlier this year. I also spoke to Prime Minister Netanyahu yesterday.
The key this year is that talks have started in Jordan. We want
those talks to continue. The problem is that those of us who want
to see a solution to this issue cannot want it more than you two
both want it. We need to do everything we can to encourage both
sides to sit at that table and talk. I think that for the Israelis
that means confidence-building measures so that the Palestinians know
that they are negotiating with someone in good faith who wants to
find a solution, and I think that for the Palestinians it means
not setting out too many preconditions before the talks start.
In the end, the only way you can resolve the final-status
issues – whether about Jerusalem, the right to return, or swaps
– is by the Palestinians and the Israelis sitting down and talking
to each other. All the rest of us can do is try to help bring that
about. That is the commitment from Britain, a good friend of Israel,
a good friend of the Palestinian people, and a supporter of the
two-state solution, but we want you to talk this year, because every
year that goes by is a year in which we miss the chance of a solution
that would drain so much poison from our world and give the Palestinian
people the homeland they deserve.
THE PRESIDENT (translation)
That brings
an end to the questions to Mr Cameron. I thank you most warmly for
your address and for the quality of the answers that you have given.
That confirms what I said earlier: I think that you are a great
tennis player. Have a safe journey home.