THE PRESIDENT.
Thank you
very much Mr Aho, for your most interesting and inspiring statement.
As you know, quite a number of members of the Assembly have expressed
a wish to put questions to you. I remind them that questions, and
supplementary questions, if they are asked, must be limited to thirty
seconds and no more. Colleagues should ask questions and not make
speeches. The first question is from Mr Konig of Austria.
Mr KONIG (Austria)
I listened to
your speech, Mr Prime Minister. I am an Austrian member of parliament
and my country is in the same boat as Finland as regards negotiations
for membership of the European Union. I therefore take the liberty
of asking you not to make a forecast but to tell me whether you
expect the ongoing negotiations, provided they meet the basic requirements
of your country and Austria, to be concluded before 10 March to
enable the outgoing European Parliament to take a vote on it.
Mr Aho, Prime Minister of Finland
We have a very ambitious timetable for the negotiations if
we want to conclude them before the beginning of March, but I think
that it is possible. What we need is political will on both sides
of the negotiating table. Finland has two special problems in the
negotiations — regional policy and agriculture. As I said, our goal
is not to have privileges in the negotiations but to have security
that the goals of the common agricultural policy can be met in our
country. To do that, we need arrangements and a permanent support
system which will create conditions for Nordic agricultural production
in the future. The negotiations are concentrating on that matter
at present. I am optimistic that it will be possible. What we need
is political will.
THE PRESIDENT
Do you want
to ask a supplementary question?
Mr KONIG (Austria)
No, just to thank
the Prime Minister for his clear statement.
Mr LOPEZ HENARES (Spain)
I congratulate
the Prime Minister on his excellent speech. It is natural that you have
talked about the negotiations for joining the European Union. Does
that imply that Finland and the Finnish Government accept the implications
for security and defence which are contained in the Maastricht Treaty?
Mr Aho, Prime Minister of Finland
We have been able to reach agreement in the negotiations on
a common foreign and security policy. It means that Finland will
be able to take part in developing that dimension of the policy
of the European Union. As I said in my speech, we see security in
a much broader sense than before. I believe that the European Union
will play an important role in creating a new European security architecture
and influencing all four dimensions of security. Finland is interested
in taking part in the process. As a member of the European Union,
it will be possible for Finland to do that.
THE PRESIDENT
Do you want
to ask a supplementary question?
Mr LOPEZ HENARES (Spain)
Of course, it was
a general answer. Nevertheless, I thank the Prime Minister for it.
Mr RUFFY (Switzerland)
My questions
partly overlap those of Mr Konig and Mr Lopez Henares.
Public opinion in Finland seems to be divided over membership
of the European Union. Are there forces in Finland opposing membership?
My second question concerns President Clinton’s approaches
to neutral countries about a “partnership for peace”. With respect
to a common European defence policy, would Finland be interested
in making a contribution?
THE PRESIDENT
You have asked
your question and supplementary question at once. I hope that Mr Aho will
also answer both questions at once.
Mr Aho, Prime Minister of Finland
Recent polls in Finland show that 41 % of the population are
in favour of membership, 27% are against and the rest are hesitating.
I see the terms of accession as decisive. As I said, Finland
is a different country in Europe because of its geography and climate.
It is important for us to take that into consideration in the terms
of accession because it will have a major impact on support of the
membership among our ordinary citizens. Some of our political parties
are totally against membership. Some of the parties in favour of
membership have minorities – large minorities in some cases – which
are critical of membership. The final stage will begin when the
negotiations are concluded and we see the terms of accession.
Finland has a positive view on the possibility of solving
the problems of central and eastern European countries and their
security through a “Partnership for Peace”. It will have a positive
impact in Europe’s security architecture. Finland’s position is
somewhat special. Our security is on a non-military, non-alliance
basis, and we have no need for alternative security arrangements.
We have long traditions in the field of peacekeeping. Finland started
its role in 1956 – two years after my birth. Since then, we have
taken part in peacekeeping operations all over the world. Finland
could play an important role in the peacekeeping field. That is
how we can contribute to a “Partnership for Peace” plan for Europe.
In that sense, it is possible for Finland to take part in the arrangement.
Mr GÜNER (Turkey)
As the Prime Minister
of a country neighbouring the Russian Federation, what is your government’s
perspective on the outcome of the recent elections in Russia, which
seem to have resulted in strengthening the position of extremists?
Mr Aho, Prime Minister of Finland
It is difficult for us in that field. I remember meeting a
Finnish foreign policy expert in August 1991 soon after the coup
attempt in Russia. He said that only badly informed people could
forecast what would happen in Russia. That experience is a good
reason to avoid forecasts.
As I said in my speech, the democratic process is going on.
As such, it is essential for Russia and its future that free and
democratic elections take place. It was an historic event in Russia.
The old Soviet constitution is gone and a new constitution for democratic
development has been created. In that sense, I am optimistic that
the process of reform will continue but not without problems and
setbacks. The basic direction is towards democracy and a market
economy in Russia.
Mr JASKIERNIA (Poland)
Prime Minister,
you mentioned the “Partnership for Peace” and you said that you might
want to participate in the programme under certain arrangements.
Under precisely what kind of arrangements could Finland participate?
What is your position on the question of the extension of
Nato? Do you believe that accepting new membership is the best scenario,
or should Europe seek an alternative security system, stressing
the CSCE process or another element other than Nato?
Mr Aho, Prime Minister of Finland
As I mentioned, it is important that a new security architecture
be created, and that requires many measures. Organisations such
as Nato, the Conference on Security and Co-operation in Europe and
the North Atlantic Conference on Security in Europe, as well as
the “Partnership for Peace” plan will have an important role to
play when creating the new European security architecture.
It is also important that we take national interests into
consideration. Different national interests are involved. We have
our interests and other countries have theirs. The structure must
be created in such a way that national interests can be taken into
consideration. There will be many solutions to the security problems.
In that sense, the “Partnership for Peace” plan is positive because
it takes national differences into consideration and it makes it
possible to have tailored arrangements for individual countries.
THE PRESIDENT.
— Thank you very much, Mr Jaskiernia. Do you wish to put another
question?
Mr JASKIERNIA (Poland)
I also asked,
Prime Minister, whether you saw the extension of Nato as the goal that
Europe should seek. Would that be a good tendency?
Mr Aho, Prime Minister of Finland
Nato will play an important role in the European security architecture.
When we work out the arrangements, it will be important that we
do not create new borderlines in Europe. It is reasonable to make
the arrangements in such a way that Russia is not isolated – or
is not likely to drift towards isolation. That is why the process
of the enlargement of Nato is important. It must happen in a way
that does not create new borderlines.
Mr VALLEIX (France) (translation)
Mr Prime Minister,
may I tell you how pleased we are to welcome you among us. Your country
occupies a strategic position as we saw in 1940 and 1989. It has
greatly suffered from the break-up of the former Soviet Union, economically
and in terms of trade. How do you think the situation can be recovered?
As you know, our Assembly held a meeting in Tallinn to examine
co-operation in the Baltic region. Can your country, together with
the Nordic Council, contribute to the revival of co-operation in
the Baltic region?
THE PRESIDENT
Thank you
very much, Mr Valleix. Would you like to answer, Mr Aho?
Mr Aho, Prime Minister of Finland
It is true that the collapse of the former Soviet Union had
a great influence on our economy. I can illustrate that by saying
that in 1990, Russian exports formed 13% of the total. A year later,
the figure dropped to between 3% and 4%. That had major implications
for the Finnish economy. It is one reason why we have had major
difficulties and a deep depression in our economy. Today, our economy is
recovering and in that sense, the worst is over. We have been able
to overcome the structural problems.
The role of Finland in the Baltic countries is important.
Finland and other Nordic countries have a special responsibility
for Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, the Baltic countries that are
newly independent again. A good illustration of the importance of
Finland and Finnish markets to Estonia exports today is about 50%.
The main way in which we can assist those countries is to provide
markets for their products and services.
We must give assistance to create new bases for the economies
of the Baltic countries. Finland, together with other Nordic countries,
has been able to do that. We have investments and support systems,
and we have given technical assistance. In that sense, the role
of Finland and the other Nordic countries is important in that region
of Europe. Among you delegates, there are greater experts. Representatives
from the Baltic countries may be able to say a few words on that
topic.
THE PRESIDENT
Thank you.
do you want to put another question, Mr Valleix?
Mr VALLEIX (France) (translation)
No I am satisfied
with Mr Aho’s reply.
THE PRESIDENT
You mentioned
Estonia, Prime Minister. Mr Kelam from Estonia will put the next
question.
Mr KELAM (Estonia)
As I am situated
80 kilometers south of the Finnish capital, I am worried about signs that
influential groups in Russia are trying to reassert their influence
over the independent states which, until recently, were victims
of Soviet occupation. In Moscow, a quasi-official stance has been
taken in the form of the so-called “near abroad doctrine” to justify
intervening in the affairs of the Baltic states and not meeting
fully and in time the resolutions of the CSCE Helsinki Summit providing
for the rapid withdrawal of former Soviet troops from the Baltic
states. What is the Finnish Government’s position on Moscow’s “near
abroad” concept? Can you imagine, Prime Minister, the Russians becoming
full members of the Council of Europe without having previously
withdrawn their troops from Estonia and Latvia?
Mr Aho, Prime Minister of Finland
It is very important that all European countries are committed
to the principles and provisions of the CSCE. The Helsinki Summit
in the summer of 1992 played a very important role in deciding the
question of Russian troops in the Baltic countries. The decisions
made in Helsinki aided the process of the withdrawal of Russian
troops from the Baltic countries. We expect that very soon, Russia,
Latvia and Estonia will be able to reach an agreement on withdrawal
so that the troops can be removed by the end of August this year.
Relations between Russia and the Baltic countries must be
based on the same principles as relations between all other European
countries. Those principles are mentioned in the CSCE document and
all countries must be committed to them.
THE PRESIDENT
Your answers,
Mr Prime Minster, are convincing. Most colleagues do not react with supplementary
questions. I call Mr Maruflu.
Mr MARUFLU (Turkey)
First, may I thank
the Prime Minister for an excellent speech.
One of the items included in the Assembly’s agenda is the
enlargement of the Council of Europe. The Russian Federation’s application
for membership of the Council of Europe is a core issue that should
always be taken into consideration in determining the future enlargement
costs of this Organisation. Opinions differ on the accession of
Russia, and in that context, may I ask the Prime Minister for his
country’s position on that subject? Further, what is the Prime Minister’s
opinion on the situation of Bosnia-Herzegovina?
Mr Aho, Prime Minister of Finland
I have already stressed in my speech the importance of Russia joining
the Council of Europe as soon as the relevant conditions are met.
I know that there are other applicants on the list and it is equally
important that those meet the conditions so that they, too, can
join the Council of Europe. That is the best way to guarantee that
the Council of Europe’s essential and important principles are implemented
in central and eastern European countries.
I remember well, that when I started my work here in the Parliamentary
Assembly in the spring or summer of 1989, we were discussing how
soon we could allow those new countries into the Council of Europe.
We decided to make rapid progress, which was an important and positive
decision. I hope that this further enlargement can be achieved in
the same way.
I was asked about the implication of the presence of Russian
troops in Estonia and Latvia on enlargement of the Council of Europe.
I cannot give a clear answer but it is understandable that the question
of foreign, Russian troops in Latvia and Estonia has an impact on
the enlargement process.
On Bosnia, it is sad that European countries and the international
community have been unable to do more to stop the violence in the
former Yugoslavia. That situation is a major challenge for the international
community. I am not an expert on how to solve the problem. This
afternoon, you will have a much better opportunity to get that question
answered when Mr Stoltenberg comes here to answer your questions.
However, no issue is more urgent than the situation in the former
Yugoslavia. It is a problem not just for the former Yugoslavia but
for Europe. It is our problem.
Mr FABRA (Spain) (interpretation)
asked Mr Aho what
advice Finland had given to Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania and wanted to
know whether they were joining the western market economy.
Mr Aho, Prime Minister of Finland
The question of free trade is essential for those three Baltic countries.
Finland now has free trade agreements with all of them. In negotiating
membership of the European Union, it was essential for us that free
trade be preserved. Last December, we reached an agreement with
the Union that, in some way or another, the continuation of free
trade could be secured. I hope that the basis for the solution will
be an agreement between the European Union and the individual Baltic
countries so that free trade agreements can be made. I have information
that, very soon, such agreements will be negotiated and signed between
the European Union and those three countries. They are most crucial
for the economic development of those countries.
The question of western European countries, including Finland,
assisting Baltic countries is very important. It is also important
that Western Europe has a clear strategy on how to assist those
countries, including Russia, that need economic support.
Finland has recognised that certain areas of the economy are
of special interest to it. Those include furniture production, nuclear
safety, food production and processing, communication systems and
environmental protection. I believe that we have been able to give
the best possible support to the Baltic countries in those fields,
in which we also have good co-operation with the neighbouring regions
of Russia: St Petersburg, Karelia and Murmansk. On the support that
Western Europe and the industrialised countries give Russia, we
must concentrate on those areas.
Mrs PAPANDREOU (Greece)
The question that
I intended to raise has already been answered. I should simply like
to express the wish that the negotiations are concluded by the end
of March while Greece still has the presidency of the European Union.
If negotiations are concluded and the European Parliament’s opinion
is given in time, it is absolutely necessary to have a positive
referendum because the European Union cannot afford another negative
referendum. That would be a pity, not just for Finland, but for
the European Union itself.
Mr Aho, Prime Minister of Finland
I am happy to respond to that question because I totally agree
that it is not only important to get results in the negotiations
and to be able to conclude them, but to ensure that the agreement
is adopted by the European Union and the applicant. To enable that
goal to be reached, the terms of accession must be that a large
majority of the Finnish population are secure in the knowledge that
our national interests will be met by joining the European Union.
As I said, we have special circumstances because of our geographical
location and our climate. If those are taken into consideration
properly I think that the majority of the Finnish population will
accept membership of the Union. I fully agree that it is also a
question of the Union’s reliability.
THE PRESIDENT
Thank you.
Mr Holtz will pose the final question to Mr Aho.
Mr HOLTZ (Germany) (translation)
Mr President,
thank you very much for permitting me to speak.
Mr Prime Minister, at the beginning of your speech you described
what feelings you had in 1989 when you travelled here to Strasbourg
for the first time. Looking back, Mr Prime Minister, what would
you say is the most important aspect of the Council of Europe for
your country? If your country becomes a member of the European Union,
what special significance do you see for it in continuing to work
actively here at the Council of Europe?
THE PRESIDENT
Thank you,
Mr Holtz. We shall listen carefully to the answer because I think
that you asked the million dollar question. I call Mr Aho.
Mr Aho, Prime Minister of Finland
I have to be very careful, Mr President. In my statement I
spoke very warmly about equality between men and women, but life
in Finland is quite difficult today. We will soon have a woman president
and a woman speaker of our parliament and we already have a woman
governor of the Bank of Finland, so I have to be very careful when
I answer this question because the principles adopted also have
implications in real life.
Joining the Council of Europe was a very important step in
Finland’s political approach to other parts of Europe. In that sense
it was the first reflection of the changes that have taken place
in Europe – changes that started in the mid-1980s. What was Finland’s
role? The most important part was that we would support the enlargement
of the Council of Europe.
The first Finnish representatives in this Assembly were listened
to and regarded as experts because many of you thought that Finnish
parliamentarians have special information on Russia and other parts
of eastern Europe. In that sense I think that, from the very beginning,
Finland played quite an important role in the Council of Europe.
Equality between men and women is one good example of that and another
is the way in which we have dealt with our national minorities.
As I said, we have received more international attention. Delegations come
to Finland from different parts of the world and have visited the
Aland Islands to find out how the constitutional arrangements created
by the Finns are working. Finland also has a role to play in that
area and can make a contribution to a difficult issue in today’s
world.
I am not able to give any other answers, but I feel that,
historically, Finland’s decision to join the Council of Europe was
one of the most important that we have made.
THE PRESIDENT
Thank you
very much, Mr Aho. That was very satisfactory and you can see how
much your colleagues appreciated your comments. As a matter of fact
you have done so well with your national minority in Finland that
I hope that you will not have any problems with men or women becoming
a minority in your society, which could be a worry if some tendencies
carry on for too long.
On membership of the European Union, sometimes countries in
our Assembly which join the Union feel that they have married again
and that they can divorce their former partners with whom they have
been associated for many years — that might mean the Council of
Europe. We expect that Finland, like many countries, will realise
that it can be a member of both the European Union and the Council
of Europe and that they are the same marriage. That has not been
obvious to many of our member countries.
We wish you very well, Mr Aho and we wish you the success
that your country and your people deserve. Thank you.